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term agenda we would have talked about immigration, talked about the economy, spending, budget defic deficits, never would have mentioned guns. a reminder how quickly something gets forced onto the agenda whether you like it or not. >> because events drive the presidency. presidents don't drive events. look, i think we can look into our crystal ball today and talk about immigration reform or gun control or perhaps some kind of a fiscal grand bargain, but there are, as donald rumsfeld famously put it, the unknown unknowns out there that will shape the next four years. we don't have to go too far back into history for comparison. george w. bush takes the oath in 2001, his priorities were tax cut and education reform. that was dominating the agenda and the summer of the shark, all the shark attacks in the summer of '01. >> gary condit. >> and gary condit. the world changes and bush's presidency certainly changed on 9/11. >> his biggest speech before that was on stem cell research. >> yep. >> that was his first -- >> biggest month, that's right. august. >> stick around. we'll talk about the obama
term agenda we would have talked about immigration, talked about the economy, spending, budget defic deficits, never would have mentioned guns. a reminder how quickly something gets forced onto the agenda whether you like it or not. >> because events drive the presidency. presidents don't drive events. look, i think we can look into our crystal ball today and talk about immigration reform or gun control or perhaps some kind of a fiscal grand bargain, but there are, as donald rumsfeld...
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. >> he called me and said mark, you know, you have to do this he said you were talking about deficit, government spending 1520 years ago when nobody was that much focused on it. they are now. here's a chance for you to take what you learned on the way up, what you learned on the way down, what you learned in congress before, what you learned in the governorship and apply it to what is really the debate of our time. >> you will remember his governorship, which was riddled with that story where he admitted an affair with a woman from argentina back in 2009. >>> look at this, unless you're a little claustrophobic. this oregon woman spent nearly four hours trapped in an eight-inch space between an apartment building and a 20-foot wall. this happened early wednesday morning in downtown portland. apparently she fell from a second floor smoking area and getting her out was not easy. firefighters had to cut through a section of wall and used air bags to widen the space. lieutenant rich chapman is the firefighter who pulled that woman out. >> we were assuring her we were doing everything to g
. >> he called me and said mark, you know, you have to do this he said you were talking about deficit, government spending 1520 years ago when nobody was that much focused on it. they are now. here's a chance for you to take what you learned on the way up, what you learned on the way down, what you learned in congress before, what you learned in the governorship and apply it to what is really the debate of our time. >> you will remember his governorship, which was riddled with that...
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you get to pay off our deficit. >> the suze orman show airs saturday night at 9:00 p.m. and 12:00 a.m. eastern. you already knew that. >> we're taking a walk on the wild side with patrick monihan. >> no, kate, don't do it. [ female announcer ] what makes florida's natural orange juice taste so uniquely fresh and delicious? is it the rich florida soil? or the perfect blend of sunshine, rain, and temperature? maybe it's the fact that florida's natural oranges are never imported. they're raised right here in florida, and passed with care from our hands to yours. 100% pure. 100% florida. florida's natural. i'd like to thank eating right, whole grain, multigrain cheerios! mom, are those my jeans? [ female announcer ] people who choose more whole grain tend to weigh less than those who don't. multigrain cheerios waiting for your wrinkle cream to work? neutrogena® rapid wrinkle repair has the fastest retinol formula. to visibly reduce fine lines and wrinkles in just one week. neutrogena®. to visibly reduce fine lines and wrinkles in just one week. hers hey' to visibly reduce
you get to pay off our deficit. >> the suze orman show airs saturday night at 9:00 p.m. and 12:00 a.m. eastern. you already knew that. >> we're taking a walk on the wild side with patrick monihan. >> no, kate, don't do it. [ female announcer ] what makes florida's natural orange juice taste so uniquely fresh and delicious? is it the rich florida soil? or the perfect blend of sunshine, rain, and temperature? maybe it's the fact that florida's natural oranges are never imported....
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the always colorful senator alan simpson is with us, no bigger advocate of getting america's debt and deficit under control, but does he think the debt ceiling is the leverage that republicans should use to get that done? he'll join us exclusively, and i know you're going to ask him about that. >> absolutely. >> let's check out the action on the street right here. here's how things are shaping up with less than an hour to go. the dow jones industrial average hitting basically at the highs of the day. had been down around 60 points earlier. talking about a gain of 20 points on the blue chip average. fractional move at 13,527. nasdaq chart pattern looks similar. take a look though it's negative. down about nine points on the nasdaq, a quarter points lower and the s&p 500 looks like this. similar chart pattern as the dow up a fraction on the standard & poor's but still that's the high of the afternoon. let's get more on the markets in today's "closing bell" exchange by hank smith and steve from comcast funds and our own rick santelli. >> hello. >> good to see you guys. >> thank you so much for j
the always colorful senator alan simpson is with us, no bigger advocate of getting america's debt and deficit under control, but does he think the debt ceiling is the leverage that republicans should use to get that done? he'll join us exclusively, and i know you're going to ask him about that. >> absolutely. >> let's check out the action on the street right here. here's how things are shaping up with less than an hour to go. the dow jones industrial average hitting basically at the...
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plus, senator rob portman on the deficit battle shaping up in congress. "squawk box" starts tomorrow at 6:00 a.m. eastern. let's go. ♪ ♪ ♪ [ male announcer ] introducing the all-new cadillac xts... another big night on the town, eh? ...and the return of life lived large. ♪ nothing. are you stealing our daughter's school supplies and taking them to work? no, i was just looking for my stapler and my... this thing. i save money by using fedex ground and buy my own supplies. that's a great idea. i'm going to go... we got clients in today. [ male announcer ] save on ground shipping at fedex office. executor of efficiency. you can spot an amateur from a mile away... while going shoeless and metal-free in seconds. and you...rent from national. because only national lets you choose any car in the aisle...and go. you can even take a full-size or above, and still pay the mid-size price. now this...will work. [ male announcer ] just like you, business pro. just like you. go national. go like a pro.
plus, senator rob portman on the deficit battle shaping up in congress. "squawk box" starts tomorrow at 6:00 a.m. eastern. let's go. ♪ ♪ ♪ [ male announcer ] introducing the all-new cadillac xts... another big night on the town, eh? ...and the return of life lived large. ♪ nothing. are you stealing our daughter's school supplies and taking them to work? no, i was just looking for my stapler and my... this thing. i save money by using fedex ground and buy my own supplies....
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>> let me just say that the president has already sign into law about $2.4 trillion worth of deficit reduction and three-quarters of that -- >> wars we stopped fighting, already factored in. >> a bunch of that is for spending cuts. not necessarily spending cults i really -- cuts i like but spending cuts nonetheless. >> you disagree with him when he says we don't have a spending problem? >> no. i think we do have certain things we can cut in spending, but in fact right now, i think the crisis we have right now is a jobs crisis. i think it's an income inequality crisis in our country. i think there's an investment crisis. we don't talk enough, neil, about the third leg of debt reduction, which is not only spending, not only raising revenue, but growth in the economy. and you know? this debt ceiling issue is just crazy. i stand -- >> was it crazy seven years ago when your democratic colleague voted against raising it? was it crazy then? >> well, except it wasn't real and this is real. the last final -- >> real is in the eye of the beholder. >> no, no. >> i guess it's -- >> it was more -
>> let me just say that the president has already sign into law about $2.4 trillion worth of deficit reduction and three-quarters of that -- >> wars we stopped fighting, already factored in. >> a bunch of that is for spending cuts. not necessarily spending cults i really -- cuts i like but spending cuts nonetheless. >> you disagree with him when he says we don't have a spending problem? >> no. i think we do have certain things we can cut in spending, but in fact...
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the consensus is, we need about $4 trillion to stabilize our debt and our deficit. which means we need about $1.5 trillion more. the package that i offered to speaker boehner before we -- before the new year would achieve that. we were actually fairly close in terms of arriving at that number. so if the goal is to make sure that we are being responsible about our debt and our deficit, if that's the conversation we're having, i'm happy to have that conversation. and by cin
the consensus is, we need about $4 trillion to stabilize our debt and our deficit. which means we need about $1.5 trillion more. the package that i offered to speaker boehner before we -- before the new year would achieve that. we were actually fairly close in terms of arriving at that number. so if the goal is to make sure that we are being responsible about our debt and our deficit, if that's the conversation we're having, i'm happy to have that conversation. and by cin
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we have an education deficit, we have a skill development deficit that is closely related to education, we have an infrastructure development and repair deficit of e enormously important proportions, and you need only look at the experience of other countries coming out of the recession including countries with very different political systems than ours to see the close relationship that infrastructure investment development has on the likelihood and the pace of recovery from a severe global downturn. we also have an important and urgent need to address the issue of energy independence, an opportunity that more than ever before is sitting right in front of us ready to be advanced in the next year or two. but again, it requires leadership and initiative in washington and immigration reform, again, a subject that was discussed before. one more word, finally, about the process. and for this i kind of go back to a much earlier part of my life when i was a professor or of law at columbia, and one of the summits i taught -- subjects i taught every year was negotiation, negotiation in a varie
we have an education deficit, we have a skill development deficit that is closely related to education, we have an infrastructure development and repair deficit of e enormously important proportions, and you need only look at the experience of other countries coming out of the recession including countries with very different political systems than ours to see the close relationship that infrastructure investment development has on the likelihood and the pace of recovery from a severe global...
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that's over $2 trillion in deficit reduction over ten years. doesn't get us all the way there, but it does get us largely about two-thirds of the way there to debt stabilization, at least within a ten-year budget window. >> russ, what do you think? of course, we are approaching this with caution. we know that there's going to be more back and forth. in the middle of it all, we have earnings season. you know, already some people are saying that this anticipation of all of these cliffs, cliff after cliff, has already impacted the earnings period. what are you looking at? what are you seeing from the fourth quarter reporting season so far? it's been a big week obviously this week for financials. >> we're seeing decent performance. i think compliments to corporate america. they've been able to grind out strong earnings growth with a relatively weak recovery. margins remain much higher than people thought. this has helped. we're seeing a recovery in the rest of the world. that's also helped. i think it's going to be a decent year. i don't think the
that's over $2 trillion in deficit reduction over ten years. doesn't get us all the way there, but it does get us largely about two-thirds of the way there to debt stabilization, at least within a ten-year budget window. >> russ, what do you think? of course, we are approaching this with caution. we know that there's going to be more back and forth. in the middle of it all, we have earnings season. you know, already some people are saying that this anticipation of all of these cliffs,...
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most republicans have insisted that with the government facing another trillion dollar deficit this year, any increase in borrowing authority must be tied to cuts in spending. the president flatly disagreed. >> i want to be clear about this. the debt ceiling is not a question of authorizing more spending. so while i'm willing to compromise and find common ground over how to reduce our deficits, america cannot afford another debate with this congress about whether or not they should pay the bills they've already racked up. >> brown: the 2011 stand-off between the president and republicans over the debt ceiling led the nation to the bryning of national default. standard and poors even lowered its rating on u.s. government bonds. today, president obama said any repeat performance would be, quote, irresponsible. >> if the goal is to make sure that we are being responsible about our debt and our deficit, if that's the conversation we're having, i'm happy to have that conversation. what i will not do is to have that negotiation with a gun at the head of the american people. >> brown: at the sa
most republicans have insisted that with the government facing another trillion dollar deficit this year, any increase in borrowing authority must be tied to cuts in spending. the president flatly disagreed. >> i want to be clear about this. the debt ceiling is not a question of authorizing more spending. so while i'm willing to compromise and find common ground over how to reduce our deficits, america cannot afford another debate with this congress about whether or not they should pay...
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it doesn't create new deficits, it doesn't create new spending. so not raising the debt ceiling is sort of like a family trying to improve its credit rating saying, i know how we can save money, we won't pay our credit card bills. not the most effect of way to improve your credit rating. >> ben bernanke says the u.s. economy appears to be willing to raise the debt ceiling. it's downplaying fierce that this could lead to higher inflation. >>. >> what do you think? >> well, i think, you know, what we've seen in the beginning of the year, like the solution of the fiscal cliff for the fist time in the more global renegotiation, what bernanke know and the government is they don't want the economy to be in another recession. probably it's going to be a slow process, but the final aim is there and everybody knows where we need to go. >> all right. let's remind you what's on today's show. we take a look out at the auto show. 5:30 eastern. spain is set to tap the bond market today. it's going to tell 12 and 18-month t bills. analysis is due in about 30 min
it doesn't create new deficits, it doesn't create new spending. so not raising the debt ceiling is sort of like a family trying to improve its credit rating saying, i know how we can save money, we won't pay our credit card bills. not the most effect of way to improve your credit rating. >> ben bernanke says the u.s. economy appears to be willing to raise the debt ceiling. it's downplaying fierce that this could lead to higher inflation. >>. >> what do you think? >>...
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it's been running a huge surplus which is the deficit of the other countries of europe that they cannot finance. >> correct. >> that is the essence of the european crisis. >> but in a global environment -- >> the whole question with respect to the u.s. is whether we can sustain our current account relationship with the rest of the world. and particularly with china. and that's a decision that the rest of the world will make. it's completely -- >> james, are we -- we added a new entitlement, obama care, which some, i don't know what that's going to cost. there's some groups, i guess they would call them, if they're too conservative, but trillions and trillions of dollars of additional entitlements that we've just layered over the entitlements we already have. are we at the right level now? is this the perfect level of promises we've made? or would you even go above where we are right now? >> well, i think the problem that we have is that our health care sector is bloated by this enormous private insurance system that we have. this sort of mixed bag of insurance schemes. that makes our he
it's been running a huge surplus which is the deficit of the other countries of europe that they cannot finance. >> correct. >> that is the essence of the european crisis. >> but in a global environment -- >> the whole question with respect to the u.s. is whether we can sustain our current account relationship with the rest of the world. and particularly with china. and that's a decision that the rest of the world will make. it's completely -- >> james, are we --...
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we just looked at some of the president's numbers op deficit reduction. we'll talk about his news cop france today on that topic and the debt ceiling with the fox all-stars when we come back. [ ship horn blows ] no, no, no! stop! humans. one day we're coming up with the theory of relativity, the next... not so much. but that's okay -- you're covered with great ideas like optional better car replacement from liberty mutual insurance. total your car and we give you the money to buy one a model year newer. learn about it at libertymutual.com. liberty mutual insurance. responsibility. what's your policy? >>> the issue here is whether or not america pays its bills. we are not a deadbeat nation. if congressial republicans refuse to pay america's bills op time, social security checks and veteran benefits will be delayed. we might not be able to pay our troops, or honor contracts with the small business owners. food inspeckors, air traffic controllers. specialist wos track down loose nuclear teles wouldn't get their paychecks. invesors around the world will ask i
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he tries to make the point that europe should somehow be moving off the policy of deficit reduction. he is completely isolated to your. there is not one single government, not even socialists in europe who believe that you should be pushing our borrowing and borrowing more. that is a simple truth. what is in britain's interest is to seek a fresh settlement in europe that is more flexible, more competitive. that is in our interest. that is what we will seek. but i have to ask him, i have to ask in this. doesn't he understand, doesn't he understand that what has happened over the last decade where a labour government signed a treaty after treaty gave away power after power for more centralization after more centralization? and never consulted the british people has what is made this problem such a big problem in the first place. >> our house in the country -- the prime minister do not after the question as to whether he is given the green light to his cabinet, his conservative members, to campaign some of them being in the opinion and some of them getting out. that is the reality of th
he tries to make the point that europe should somehow be moving off the policy of deficit reduction. he is completely isolated to your. there is not one single government, not even socialists in europe who believe that you should be pushing our borrowing and borrowing more. that is a simple truth. what is in britain's interest is to seek a fresh settlement in europe that is more flexible, more competitive. that is in our interest. that is what we will seek. but i have to ask him, i have to ask...
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controls on imports we have the so-called deficit hawks here in the united states who are downright hysterical that our debt to g.d.p. ratio is depending on whose numbers you're using and whether social security somewhere that ever had a seventy percent or one hundred ten percent and yet japan is over two hundred percent of their g.d.p. is dead is that not the case if i'm remembering correctly and if so why is that not a problem for them. well it is their figures them on that circuit or on it's hard to know with just these figures for us what's really going on because there may be double counting there but the larger issue here is that the deficit hawks in the united states are looking at the wrong thing they're looking at. the borrowing debt relative to the domestic economy what they should be looking at is the extent to which the united states is having to borrow abroad and of course these days particularly borrow borrow from china in effect american defense policy these days and months to borrowing from china to defend the curled up from china it is a totally nonsensical passage in india an
controls on imports we have the so-called deficit hawks here in the united states who are downright hysterical that our debt to g.d.p. ratio is depending on whose numbers you're using and whether social security somewhere that ever had a seventy percent or one hundred ten percent and yet japan is over two hundred percent of their g.d.p. is dead is that not the case if i'm remembering correctly and if so why is that not a problem for them. well it is their figures them on that circuit or on it's...
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and i remembered some of the earlier deficit reduction battles we had. i voted for virtually all of them. and i was thinking what is changed since those debates? and i think there have been two major changes. number one the deficit is clearly much greater, and that's an added dimension. but secondly, the -- when i think of the ways & means committee, what a change there's been in the competition. when i joined ways & means, barbara had just left the ranking member, and he then went the world bank. i worked with bill frenzel on trade. bill archer was handling the tax material, mainly and bill was working on health care. i think a second major change that effects the debate is changing composition of the republican party. i think it has moved very much more to the right describe it from the days when i joined the committee. and i think that makes it very much more difficult to handle the problems that we have before us. so let me just comment briefly on where we are. you heard the president yesterday. we've had spending cuts of a billion and a half or tril
and i remembered some of the earlier deficit reduction battles we had. i voted for virtually all of them. and i was thinking what is changed since those debates? and i think there have been two major changes. number one the deficit is clearly much greater, and that's an added dimension. but secondly, the -- when i think of the ways & means committee, what a change there's been in the competition. when i joined ways & means, barbara had just left the ranking member, and he then went the...
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you don't speak the language and you have cultural deficits. it is almost impossible to develop the contextual understanding that you need. you have to understand if you're trying to impact a society. >> in other news, the militants said they have executed a french hostage captured in 2009. french armed forces tried to rescue him last saturday but failed. they executed him on wednesday evening and they say he was probably killed during the rescue attempt. the country now has a steady government. the united states recognizes them for the first time in 20 years pillar in -- 20 years. lance armstrong has been stripped of his mettle. the committee acted after the governing body found him guilty of systematic doping and stripped them of seven wins. there is speculation as to whether he will lead men to open or apologize. extremists are gaining ground militarily and they're also winning popular support. it has become increasingly powerful. the free syrian army is living in kidnapping. they met one of the leaders of the front and found this exclusive
you don't speak the language and you have cultural deficits. it is almost impossible to develop the contextual understanding that you need. you have to understand if you're trying to impact a society. >> in other news, the militants said they have executed a french hostage captured in 2009. french armed forces tried to rescue him last saturday but failed. they executed him on wednesday evening and they say he was probably killed during the rescue attempt. the country now has a steady...
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this issue raises all the deficit issues. it should. it really is after the fact. >> the reason we're having the problem now because they don't pass a budget. >> yes. exactly. look, they're avoiding the really tough stuff, which is dealing with long term deficits which we face today. they're much worse than what we faced in the '80s and '90s. they've got to get serious about doing the hard work that has to be done on both sides of the aisle to deal with the specifics how you get this done. >> sir, do you think the u.s. has a spending problem? >> look, we've got a deficit problem. >> is that the same thing as a spending problem or is it different? >> you've got -- look, when i was in congress and when we balanced the budget in the '90s, we were taking in roughly, these figures will be a little off, roughly, we were taking in 20% of gdp and spending 20% of gdp. that seems to me to be a fair place to come out. maybe you could put it at 18, maybe you could put it at 21 or 22. but get an agreement on that, and then go to work on both sides o
this issue raises all the deficit issues. it should. it really is after the fact. >> the reason we're having the problem now because they don't pass a budget. >> yes. exactly. look, they're avoiding the really tough stuff, which is dealing with long term deficits which we face today. they're much worse than what we faced in the '80s and '90s. they've got to get serious about doing the hard work that has to be done on both sides of the aisle to deal with the specifics how you get...
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i think a lot of what they complain about with respect to us, for example, our large fiscal deficits, one example, i think it would be in our interest to deal with. similarly, a lot of what we complain about with respect to them, their export-driven strategy, the absence of domestic demand, it's critically important for their own self-interest if they're going to have sustainable growth going forward to deal with that issue. so i think we have a common self-interest in dealing with many of the issues that we complain to each other about. >> what should be the core elements of a u.s.-china relationship going forward? >> the core elements of a cooperative u.s.-chinese partnership is in many respects in the communique issued in january 2011 by presidents obama and hu jintao of china, went to great lengths in itemizing and developing several areas to be cooperating because it sets a framework, a framework in which the word partnership is really given meaning and a framework for something unprecedented in the history of human affairs, namely, when two major powers arise, they almost never
i think a lot of what they complain about with respect to us, for example, our large fiscal deficits, one example, i think it would be in our interest to deal with. similarly, a lot of what we complain about with respect to them, their export-driven strategy, the absence of domestic demand, it's critically important for their own self-interest if they're going to have sustainable growth going forward to deal with that issue. so i think we have a common self-interest in dealing with many of the...
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finally, on the federal budget deficit and debt, the committee sees that the budget deficit will continue to decline over the next two years. but we do not characterize the debt and deficit at unsustainably high levels. we do think the deficit is reduced to $925 billion in 2013 and narrowed further, to $728 billion in 2014. that is down from $1.1 trillion last year. that gives you an overview of the committee consensus opinion and i would be happy to answer any additional questions you might how about the committee's outlook. i will be happy to entertain other questions as well. yes? >> just to clarify a little bit on the gdp dragon on the tax hike, was that on the payroll and income tax increases? >> that is correct. >> the 1.25% dragon, was out for the whole year? -- the 1.25% drag, was that for the whole year? >> we think it will be for the whole year of fiscal 2013. >> with the labour market and some improvement on as quick as it was, without just -- there was some sentiment that it might be slowing down. >> we are seeing drags on consumer spending, but also from the ongoing recession
finally, on the federal budget deficit and debt, the committee sees that the budget deficit will continue to decline over the next two years. but we do not characterize the debt and deficit at unsustainably high levels. we do think the deficit is reduced to $925 billion in 2013 and narrowed further, to $728 billion in 2014. that is down from $1.1 trillion last year. that gives you an overview of the committee consensus opinion and i would be happy to answer any additional questions you might...
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i mean, that's just, you know, in the self-interest of the government of venezuela, if you've got a deficit, you know, stop giving oil away. stop subsidizing sales to people. that would be a lodge cl thing -- logical thing to do. and if you had a government that was not as idealogically motivated as the current government, if you had a chavista government not as idealogically motivated as the current government, that would be a real, logical thing for them to do. >> yeah. thank you for those comments. before i go to chris for the last question this round, i want to mention that after that we'll be going to the audience for some of your questions. we'll have circumstance rating microphones, so you can be thinking about the questions. hopefully, the certification to this point has been sufficiently provocative that you'll have a number of questions, and we can go into the procedure for doing that. but just to give you a heads up that that's coming shortly. chris, back to you for really a continuation of where charles left his comments. but i want to press it just a little bit further. you've
i mean, that's just, you know, in the self-interest of the government of venezuela, if you've got a deficit, you know, stop giving oil away. stop subsidizing sales to people. that would be a lodge cl thing -- logical thing to do. and if you had a government that was not as idealogically motivated as the current government, if you had a chavista government not as idealogically motivated as the current government, that would be a real, logical thing for them to do. >> yeah. thank you for...
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i mean they are very concerned about the debt to gdp and the budget deficit, which are running at roughly 101% and 8 to 10%. we kind of look like spain looks right now. if anything we might be worse. but what i think happens is the republicans have two shots. march 1st is the sequester where they can challenge or what we think will happen they will wait until the march 27th continuing resolution and they are going to press the president for spending reductions which is absolutely necessary if we want to maintain at least two of our three aaa credit ratings. >> andy, i just find it amazing we now have a culture where it doesn't matter what you said a couple of years ago, even when you're the head guy running the country. we all know, raid or heard and today was the notable quotable in the "journal" when the president was a senator was a different guy when it comes to his interpretation of voting or not voting for the debt ceiling. but i happened in my opinion agree with you on your interpretation of the republicans and the retreat. i think that principle might be a good thing. centerpiece
i mean they are very concerned about the debt to gdp and the budget deficit, which are running at roughly 101% and 8 to 10%. we kind of look like spain looks right now. if anything we might be worse. but what i think happens is the republicans have two shots. march 1st is the sequester where they can challenge or what we think will happen they will wait until the march 27th continuing resolution and they are going to press the president for spending reductions which is absolutely necessary if...
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don't worry about it, it will work itself down the line and don't worry about the mounting debt and deficit. >> that's then and this is now. a debt as you pointed out 16.4 trillion dollars and rising constantly. we need a restraint on that debt. we cannot let it run away constantly. the and the debt ceiling is a restraint. what the democrats want is a blank check. i'm not sure it's constitutional because congress rules on the issue of money, not the executive branch. so, i'm not sure the constitutionality of it. if you did abolish this debt ceiling, you would pretty soon get yourself a downgrade. these rating agencies would say, your debt is just running away. you're not credit worthy. >> megyn: the debt ceiling is in place, it doesn't seem they trust our lawmakers to live within their moneys and with the money. when you look at 16.4 trillion, they're right, we're not living in our means. and there's a question, stu, you see that number, i think of my kids and think of my children. who is going to pay that number? it's probably not going to be me. >> right. >> megyn: it's probably going to
don't worry about it, it will work itself down the line and don't worry about the mounting debt and deficit. >> that's then and this is now. a debt as you pointed out 16.4 trillion dollars and rising constantly. we need a restraint on that debt. we cannot let it run away constantly. the and the debt ceiling is a restraint. what the democrats want is a blank check. i'm not sure it's constitutional because congress rules on the issue of money, not the executive branch. so, i'm not sure the...
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. >> megyn: and my last question for you quickly he's put in place, 3.25 in place of deficit reduction, a little short of 4 trillion we need, but he would have the american public believe he's significantly reduced our deficit as president. >> which makes you wonder why we need another 2 trillion dollars so desperately now as we are getting ready for the beginning of his second term. obviously, that's 2 1/2 trillion that is, well, fanciful in my opinion and ethereal in others and it's not a reduction in baseline, it's a reduction in the rate of growth of spending, which is again suffocating to the private economy and unsustainable over the course of the next several years. >> megyn: one thing we did hear the president reference personally, we heard it from nancy pelosi prior, but the president personally talking about now closing more loopholes and that means higher taxes. we don't know on who, but he would not specify any specific spending reductions and refusing to negotiate with the house republicans on the issue of the debt ceiling. lou, an interesting couple of months. looking for
. >> megyn: and my last question for you quickly he's put in place, 3.25 in place of deficit reduction, a little short of 4 trillion we need, but he would have the american public believe he's significantly reduced our deficit as president. >> which makes you wonder why we need another 2 trillion dollars so desperately now as we are getting ready for the beginning of his second term. obviously, that's 2 1/2 trillion that is, well, fanciful in my opinion and ethereal in others and...
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they created the structural deficit -- >> neil: wait a minute. we can go back in time and talk about 9/11 and a recession was taking hold. i don't want to go back in history. i want to ask thufinaly, would you agree that if we get a republican president and he or she is demanding the same prerogative you want to give this president right now, you, simon, would be on board and say go for it. >> i think we should eliminate the vote over the debt ceiling, both party, both presidents for all time -- >> neil: you would give a republican the same eye am going to save this tape. when it comes to that, i am going to have you back. >> hopefully, that won't be for a long time. >> neil: i thought you would say that, touche. >> okay. >> neil: from help out of d.c. to big doings in d.c., the city is getting readyr spiffy for a piece of history. the president's inauguration on monday. since january 20 falls on a sunday, the president will be privately sworn in that day. but the hoopla is all on monday, across the capitol. and we will be there again. probably n
they created the structural deficit -- >> neil: wait a minute. we can go back in time and talk about 9/11 and a recession was taking hold. i don't want to go back in history. i want to ask thufinaly, would you agree that if we get a republican president and he or she is demanding the same prerogative you want to give this president right now, you, simon, would be on board and say go for it. >> i think we should eliminate the vote over the debt ceiling, both party, both presidents...
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if the issue is deficit reduction, getting our deficits sustainable over time, getting our debt in a sustainable place, then democrats and republicans in congress will have a partner with me. we can achieve that and we can achieve it fairly quickly. we know what the numbers are, we know what needs to be done. we know what a balanced approach would take, and we've already done probably more than half of the deficit reduction we need to stabilize the debt and the deficit. there's probably been more pain and drama in getting there than we needed. and so finishing the job shouldn't be that difficult, if everybody comes to the conversation with an open mind and if there's some things like paying our bills should not be out of bounds. i'll take one last question. >> mr. president, i would like to ask you, now that you've reached the end of your first term, starting your second, about a couple of criticisms. one that's long-standing, another more recent. the long-standing one seems to become a truism of sorts, that you and your staff are too insular, that you don't socialize enough. and the
if the issue is deficit reduction, getting our deficits sustainable over time, getting our debt in a sustainable place, then democrats and republicans in congress will have a partner with me. we can achieve that and we can achieve it fairly quickly. we know what the numbers are, we know what needs to be done. we know what a balanced approach would take, and we've already done probably more than half of the deficit reduction we need to stabilize the debt and the deficit. there's probably been...
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so, obama's entire premise that we need a balanced approach to cutting the deficit is based on a huge fiction which is that obama's plan will cut 4 trillion during the the next decade. it will do no such thing. he's basing on a falsity, just like day one when he's been in office, distort and pr propgandize. now, republicans need to understand all of this dealing with obama. they're dealing with a man who is reckless, ruthless as any president they will ever encounter and my next guest says he has a plan that mr. bolster the republicans hand when it comes to dealing with the democrats on the issue of debt and much more. ohio senator rob portman is here. and what do you make of obama, only 2006 a vote against the debt ceiling. >> it went further than that. he said it would be unpatriotic. >> sean: that's another, i actually have that clip. you want to see it. >> sure. >> sean: let's show the videotape. >> the problem is, is that the way bush has done it over the last eight years is to take out a credit card from the bank of china in the name of our children, driving up our national debt
so, obama's entire premise that we need a balanced approach to cutting the deficit is based on a huge fiction which is that obama's plan will cut 4 trillion during the the next decade. it will do no such thing. he's basing on a falsity, just like day one when he's been in office, distort and pr propgandize. now, republicans need to understand all of this dealing with obama. they're dealing with a man who is reckless, ruthless as any president they will ever encounter and my next guest says he...
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we have clear issues, as pat was alluding to, with the debt and the deficit. they're not solved and the debt ceiling, while it's an important hurdle and i don't want to default and i think the president is substantively is right, we can't be a totally polarized nation and nor can we pit one against the other and is sub zero see site. president clinton got a deal with newt gingrich, a different philosophy, he reached out across the aisle. we have to deal with entitlements, it's not a question of not wanting to take care of old people or poor people or feeding poor children, i think everybody believes we should. it's how and what extent and in what way can we afford it. bottom line, i thought the president's tone was unfortunate. he did it in the press conference right after the election, and i think that ultimately, it does the american people a disservice. >> kirsten, you read some the left wing pundits and they've had it with president obama in their view bending in these discussions with the left. they think, you know, he extended the bush tax cuts a couple
we have clear issues, as pat was alluding to, with the debt and the deficit. they're not solved and the debt ceiling, while it's an important hurdle and i don't want to default and i think the president is substantively is right, we can't be a totally polarized nation and nor can we pit one against the other and is sub zero see site. president clinton got a deal with newt gingrich, a different philosophy, he reached out across the aisle. we have to deal with entitlements, it's not a question of...
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he's said it's unrealistic to tie the debt limit to deficit reduction. he said it has been separate. that is just not accurate. >> sean: last 30 years? >> last 27 years every major reduction is start going through 1990s all three agreements. recent one, budget control act the reason we're talking about the debt limit discussion. so this is an appropriate time to raise the issue. look, he said people voted for him because they wanted to increase the debt limit. i don't think so. that is not what polling shows. it shows people want to get spending under control. >> sean: for a brief hour the obama media which did not go do a good job from my estimation woke up and challenged him. and looked angry on hypocrisy. how would you deal with the president that is very good at politics, demonizing and pushing republicans into a corner? what is the best strategy? >> well, i agree with you it's interesting. you had reporters saying wait a minute. you said just the opposite but also said the point just made a second ago which is why are you saying it's been straight a
he's said it's unrealistic to tie the debt limit to deficit reduction. he said it has been separate. that is just not accurate. >> sean: last 30 years? >> last 27 years every major reduction is start going through 1990s all three agreements. recent one, budget control act the reason we're talking about the debt limit discussion. so this is an appropriate time to raise the issue. look, he said people voted for him because they wanted to increase the debt limit. i don't think so. that...
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what's motivating and propelling the thousands republicans is more than simply deficit reduction, they are suspicious about government commitment to make sure that seniors have decent health care and whether government should make sure that kids in poverty are getting enough to eat. that's an outrageous statement to begin with. on top of that that's not exactly a great way to forge bipartisan consensus. it o it's one thing to question your opponent's policies and another to question their motives. and he's not interested in forging bipartisan consensus on the debt, he's interesting in demonizing and dividing republicans and he's going to continue to do that in his second term. >> megyn: why would he be doing that, simon? >> i think it's called politics, megyn. i think what we expect out of our president, just like we expect out the republican party, is for them to fight as hard as they can for the things that they believe in. and to be -- and to make clear about what they believe the other side is doing, too. listen, i listened to rick santorum at the republican convention say that if
what's motivating and propelling the thousands republicans is more than simply deficit reduction, they are suspicious about government commitment to make sure that seniors have decent health care and whether government should make sure that kids in poverty are getting enough to eat. that's an outrageous statement to begin with. on top of that that's not exactly a great way to forge bipartisan consensus. it o it's one thing to question your opponent's policies and another to question their...
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. >> i'm willing to compromise and find common ground over how to reduce the deficit, america cannot afford another debate with this congress about whether or not they should pay the bills they have racked up. what i will not do is to have that negotiation with gun at the head of the people. >> dana: interesting choice of words to describe that. eric, you talked about not wanting the country to lurch from crisis to crisis. most americans would agree and want washington to fix fundamental problems. why do we have to have the debate every three months? >> eric: sure. start with the debt ceiling and how it came about. prior to world war i, everybody was paid. the debt we incurred was paid for through various bonds. world war i to world war ii, fdr got together with the treasury secretary and set let's put a debt ceiling op and they started to borrow money. that amount in 1949 was $45 billion. today, $16.4 trillion. that is 46,400% higher. between 1939 and 1980, we never exceeded $1 trillion in debt. now we push $17 trillion. the problem with the sound bite is president obama was the guy
. >> i'm willing to compromise and find common ground over how to reduce the deficit, america cannot afford another debate with this congress about whether or not they should pay the bills they have racked up. what i will not do is to have that negotiation with gun at the head of the people. >> dana: interesting choice of words to describe that. eric, you talked about not wanting the country to lurch from crisis to crisis. most americans would agree and want washington to fix...
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lowered the deficit to 1.4% of gdp in 2022, stabilize the debt by 2015. it even further reduced discretionary spending. it builds on health reform savings and called for social security reform, and provided specific things to do to get social security solvent for the next 75 years here and also include fundamental tax reform that raise revenue. and raised quite a bit of revenue, 2.4 trillion of that 5.4 trillion would have been revenue, but revenue not required raising rates, but revenue that would come through reforming the tax code, reducing preferences, exclusions that are shot through the tax code, to actually be able to reduce rates and raise additional revenue. for anybody that wanted can you really do that, remember tax expenditures are running $1.2 trillion a year. we are spending more for the tax code than we are through all of the appropriate accounts of the federal government. this is what happens to the deficit in the share of gdp under the fiscal commission plan. you can see a dramatic improvement. the fiscal cliff plan, and what was just ado
lowered the deficit to 1.4% of gdp in 2022, stabilize the debt by 2015. it even further reduced discretionary spending. it builds on health reform savings and called for social security reform, and provided specific things to do to get social security solvent for the next 75 years here and also include fundamental tax reform that raise revenue. and raised quite a bit of revenue, 2.4 trillion of that 5.4 trillion would have been revenue, but revenue not required raising rates, but revenue that...
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that's the smallest monthly deficit in five years. some of that is artificial. people pulling transactions forward because they were afraid of higher tax rates in 2013. but for the first three months of 2013, we have a rapidly shrinking fiscal 2013, we have a rapidly shrinking deficit. so we are in a way chasing a vanishing problem. >> which is interesting, and that would allow for some things that are dirty and things that are not so dirty, would completely perhaps get rid of this problem after a while. do you think we're headed for a full stalemate? >> it's such a shame. i think david is right because we have low debt service right now. we're paying less interest on our debt than we had in the reagan and bush administrations before because interest rates are so low. >> but they're going to go up one day. >> but not for several years. i'll say it, we should be borrowing more at 30-year, 3% terms, so we can invest in the long-term growth of this economy. this is not the time for further austerity and cuts. if we were even to consider that right now, it would be
that's the smallest monthly deficit in five years. some of that is artificial. people pulling transactions forward because they were afraid of higher tax rates in 2013. but for the first three months of 2013, we have a rapidly shrinking fiscal 2013, we have a rapidly shrinking deficit. so we are in a way chasing a vanishing problem. >> which is interesting, and that would allow for some things that are dirty and things that are not so dirty, would completely perhaps get rid of this...
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. >> we have dialogue about the deficit and we have simpson bowles which everyone promptly ignored. it's kind of going back into the conversation now, but the question is, and i know you've written an op-ed, you know, what's reasonable? what is reasonable in terms of gun control when it comes to states that understand the gun culture and how deeply it is embedded in the culture of some of these states? >> well it's going to have to be a little bit from all of the above and that's why, you know, your show -- >> assault weapons ban. >> we've heard from the special interest groups, we're hearing from, you know, one end of the spectrum or that end of the spectrum, but in the end, our duly elected officials get together with an open mind and they then make decisions on behalf of the people they represent. that's where getting back to no labels is so important. you know, we've got the politics of right and left and center, but we've forgotten the most important part of all and that's the politics of problem solving. representing the people in all that we do. what we are doing today is not
. >> we have dialogue about the deficit and we have simpson bowles which everyone promptly ignored. it's kind of going back into the conversation now, but the question is, and i know you've written an op-ed, you know, what's reasonable? what is reasonable in terms of gun control when it comes to states that understand the gun culture and how deeply it is embedded in the culture of some of these states? >> well it's going to have to be a little bit from all of the above and that's...
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we are having more deficit. again because the problem isn't about taxes. it's about spending. republicans have to have campaign communications, strategy, like chinese water torture. it has to be drip, drip, drip. the american people are not dumb. but they need to hear over and over what they already know deep in their hearts. their family can't spend itself rich and the government can't spend itself rich. >> shannon: we will see all of those things coming down the pike, how the public views it and how lawmakers will respond to the problem. always good to see you. happy new year. >> happy new year to you and your viewers. the debate is rapid fire as lawmakers weigh in on deadly weapons and our constitutional rights. >> the likelihood is that they are not going to be able to get a assault weapon ban. >> taking away the rights of law-abiding citizens will not stop a deranged individual or a criminal. >> someone can walk into a wal-mart, buy a shopping cart full of ammunition, walk out, pay, no questions asked. >> shannon: very different views on an issue taking center stage. the
we are having more deficit. again because the problem isn't about taxes. it's about spending. republicans have to have campaign communications, strategy, like chinese water torture. it has to be drip, drip, drip. the american people are not dumb. but they need to hear over and over what they already know deep in their hearts. their family can't spend itself rich and the government can't spend itself rich. >> shannon: we will see all of those things coming down the pike, how the public...
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begin to to deficit reduction until you take a serious approach to welfare reform. on the side of the house we're doing it in a fair and responsible way. a way that rewards hard work. >> order. questions to the prime minister. >> number one, mr. speaker. >> thank you, mr. speaker. i'm sure the whole house will wish to join me in paying tribute to richard reginald walker, 28 engine regiment, attached to 21 engineer regiment. it is clear to see from the tributes paid that he was outstanding soldier and mutual respect. are deep assemblies are are with his family and his friends at this difficult time. mr. speaker, i would also like to mention helicopter crash in central london display but also central london display but also wish to join in sending our thanks to the emergency services for the rapid and professional response to the situation. mr. speaker, this point i had meetings with ministerial and colleagues and others, and in addition to my duties in the south i will have further such meetings later today. >> for too long many women and especially hard working stay
begin to to deficit reduction until you take a serious approach to welfare reform. on the side of the house we're doing it in a fair and responsible way. a way that rewards hard work. >> order. questions to the prime minister. >> number one, mr. speaker. >> thank you, mr. speaker. i'm sure the whole house will wish to join me in paying tribute to richard reginald walker, 28 engine regiment, attached to 21 engineer regiment. it is clear to see from the tributes paid that he was...
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deficit now exceeds 100% of debt gdp ratio. so we may be experiencing the initial tax of extended deficit financing. the longer-term problem is to a very large extent a product of key entitlement programs that are an important part of the nation's safety net for the elderly. the growth of spending in the nation's entitlement programs can help a program secure for current and future workers than we think that's very important. by 2035, there will be only two workers per beneficiary to 60 federal retiree who have 50% longer retirement than encouraging 1895. so this is a serious issue. currently the social security retirement is a pay-as-you-go system that provides for and no benefits and tax collects. this will lead to insolvency, particularly with the increasing number of baby boomers retiring every day is referred to by maia and lewis. others news, nor do i have the program make expertise necessary to suggest solutions, it's important that congress and allies acceptable methods to assure that these programs to retirees. reforms
deficit now exceeds 100% of debt gdp ratio. so we may be experiencing the initial tax of extended deficit financing. the longer-term problem is to a very large extent a product of key entitlement programs that are an important part of the nation's safety net for the elderly. the growth of spending in the nation's entitlement programs can help a program secure for current and future workers than we think that's very important. by 2035, there will be only two workers per beneficiary to 60 federal...
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if we want to have a conversation about how to redust our deficit let's have that. we've been having that nor the last two years. we just had an entire campaign about it. by the way the american people agreed with me that we should reduce our deficits in a balanced way that takes into account the need for us to grow this economy. martha: bob beckel is former democratic campaign manager and cohost of the five. mary katherine ham is editor at large and fox news contributor. why do you think it was so testy yesterday? >> obama's best form is not necessarily a press conference which is why he does than do many of them. i which he was testy for one real reason. the republicans trying to take the full faith and crucify the united states currency and putting it at fist being. i'd invoke the 14th amendment, we'd problem below know that if we spent more time with the republicans wasting time on the floor of the house. i thought he ought to raise it and to hell with congress. martha: we talked to stewart varney and kirsten said in that sound byte, this isn't about default, pe
if we want to have a conversation about how to redust our deficit let's have that. we've been having that nor the last two years. we just had an entire campaign about it. by the way the american people agreed with me that we should reduce our deficits in a balanced way that takes into account the need for us to grow this economy. martha: bob beckel is former democratic campaign manager and cohost of the five. mary katherine ham is editor at large and fox news contributor. why do you think it...
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>> and fitch has specifically said it's because they want a credible, credible deficit reduction plan, a solution, a long-term solution. bill: which they said last year too. martha: when you take a look at the twin title waves coming at us with medicare and with social security, until you deal with those and reform those programs and strengthen them for future generations we are not going to solve the problem. bill: senator, thank you for your time and being patient. john barrasso on the hill, republican from wyoming. >> thank you, bill. martha: let's go back to the scene where they are working to extricate this woman. that's a look at her hand. they are trying to get her out of there as carefully as they possibly can. they have no idea whether she was broken bones or in terrible damage. at this point they say she is conscious and speaking with them. they are working very hard to get her out. boy will she have a story to tell when they do. we'll be right back here with breaking news from "america's newsroom" from portland this morning. hi. i'm henry winkler. and i'm here to tell homeo
>> and fitch has specifically said it's because they want a credible, credible deficit reduction plan, a solution, a long-term solution. bill: which they said last year too. martha: when you take a look at the twin title waves coming at us with medicare and with social security, until you deal with those and reform those programs and strengthen them for future generations we are not going to solve the problem. bill: senator, thank you for your time and being patient. john barrasso on the...
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wrong is the current problem of very high debt and combined with high deficits. do there's a large part to the great shock of that recession the. global slowdown starting in two thousand and eight and they became the victims of it now. it isn't the creation of the euro that caused the problem so much because before the euro came into being countries they could lee had a hundred twenty percent. g.d.p. ratios and greece greece had two hundred ten percent belgium had. one time in one thousand nine hundred forty five percent so they let there's a lack of fiscal discipline all and a movement to the left in europe big spending and on. and social projects that couldn't keep going it's no longer now europe also has a static population in some cases declining population and so you have more aged people more pension and bills to pay and fewer people to work to pay them. it created a big problem when the shot came but when you talk about dadt i mean there are i think two points to make because first of all has always been plagued with debt. reg its budget deficit in order t
wrong is the current problem of very high debt and combined with high deficits. do there's a large part to the great shock of that recession the. global slowdown starting in two thousand and eight and they became the victims of it now. it isn't the creation of the euro that caused the problem so much because before the euro came into being countries they could lee had a hundred twenty percent. g.d.p. ratios and greece greece had two hundred ten percent belgium had. one time in one thousand nine...
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the problem is he is fronting for policies that are not dealing with the debt or the deficit. >> another gold man sacks guy who made a lot of money while the company was being raped. the real problem with lew, he represents the president's worst instincts, he scuttled the deal in 2011 by the introduction of more taxes and he says no, and this is obama on steroids to the left. he is pushing the country in a place that he doesn't have a mandate for but high has no opposition to stop. >> let me say one thing, the shame of these picks is they small. they are inside the beltway, they are small, they are political hacks, where the president wanted to be a transformational president. he has been re-elected. not many presidents in history are two term presidents and he can be a successful president if he does something great. the great thing he could do for a liberal democrat, is save the social safety net from financial collapse. he had the chance to do it and he still has a chance. >> others would have brought some imagination. the opposite of reagan. >> gentleman, hang in here we will come ba
the problem is he is fronting for policies that are not dealing with the debt or the deficit. >> another gold man sacks guy who made a lot of money while the company was being raped. the real problem with lew, he represents the president's worst instincts, he scuttled the deal in 2011 by the introduction of more taxes and he says no, and this is obama on steroids to the left. he is pushing the country in a place that he doesn't have a mandate for but high has no opposition to stop....
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it does not create new deficits. it does not create new spending. so not raising the debt ceiling is sort of like a family which is trying to improve its credit ratings and i know how we can save money, we will not pay our credit card bills. not the most effective way to improve your credit rating. it was a very slow solution to the debt ceiling in august of 2011 that got the u.s. downgraded last time. so it's very important. all these issues are important, but it's very, very important that congress take necessary action to raise the debt ceiling to avoid a situation where our government does not pay its bills. >> a number of people have expressed concern about how much of the challenges actually were addressed in the deal. it went part of the way, as you mentioned. but it leaves a number of issues still on the table and traditional negotiations are looming. would you characterize that as an additional cliff that is facing us? or do you think it is not as concerning as it was when you raised the term initially? >> as i said, the fiscal cliff, if al
it does not create new deficits. it does not create new spending. so not raising the debt ceiling is sort of like a family which is trying to improve its credit ratings and i know how we can save money, we will not pay our credit card bills. not the most effective way to improve your credit rating. it was a very slow solution to the debt ceiling in august of 2011 that got the u.s. downgraded last time. so it's very important. all these issues are important, but it's very, very important that...
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current account deficit balloons is the u.k. heading for a currency crisis asks jeremy warner in the telegraph and he goes over the usual things of the deficit and all the debt they have but he knows that north sea oil has helped the u.k. economy avoid what would otherwise have been brutally imposed market reform in adjustment as recently as two thousand and one britain enjoyed a trade surplus in crude oil of nearly six billion pounds a year in two thousand and eleven the deficit was ten point seven billion pounds like a receding tide fast depleting north sea oil is exposing the underlying wreckage of the u.k. economy well gerry warner makes an excellent point now and economy has two components in its export market they've got the exploitation of services or they've got the exploitation of goods manufactured goods in britain has not exported had a net balance of exportation of manufactured goods since the nineteen eighties the entire economy sense that your has been built on basically services and what are these services they ar
current account deficit balloons is the u.k. heading for a currency crisis asks jeremy warner in the telegraph and he goes over the usual things of the deficit and all the debt they have but he knows that north sea oil has helped the u.k. economy avoid what would otherwise have been brutally imposed market reform in adjustment as recently as two thousand and one britain enjoyed a trade surplus in crude oil of nearly six billion pounds a year in two thousand and eleven the deficit was ten point...